Virtues
20 July 2005, 9:05 PM
I have a vague idea there was a discussion about this in someone's blog at some point (Vardibidian's, maybe?), but if so I can't find it. So I'll ask it as a question here:
What are some of your favorite virtues, and/or ones that are most important to you? They don't have to be virtues you possess; they can be ones you admire in others.
I could try to list mine, but I think I'll wait a bit and see what y'all say first. I'm mostly thinking of abstract virtues (like Honesty, Bravery, Thrift, Respect, etc), but if you have other sorts of answers, go ahead and post 'em.
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Comments
Honesty's good. Clarity. Compassion. Silence (at least the ability to be silent sometimes). Gentleness. Acknowledgement.
Posted by: Lola (mail) (web) | July 21, 2005 12:18 AM
Funny you should ask. I have my cardinal virtues and thier definitions to hand:
Clarity: being in touch with the world around you, understanding what the situation really is. Without clarity, anything you do that has the desired effect is happy coincidence.
Integrity: Idiosyncratic definition here. Being of one mind, or not being at war with yourself.
Humility: Understanding what the stakes really are and how important your role in them is. Usually it's nowhere near as critical as it feels. Humility is neccessary for self-forgiveness. (Trungpa also calls this "sense of humor".)
Grace: The polar opposite of melodrama. Moving through the world with the least unneccesary turbulence.
Posted by: Daniel Abraham (mail) (web) | July 21, 2005 1:16 AM
Empathy: Understanding at a gut level that the people I interact with and who are affected by my actions are, truly, people in exactly the same way that I am a person. Except, of course, with their own totally idiosyncratic needs, desires, pleasures, problems.
Posted by: Jacob | July 21, 2005 9:19 AM
Honesty and a kind heart.
Posted by: Haddayr | July 21, 2005 9:53 AM
Engagement, with the people and the world around you. Tolerance for same. Curiosity about the new and the unfamiliar. Honesty. Humor.
Posted by: Dave Schwartz (mail) (web) | July 21, 2005 10:40 AM
Rationality. Pride.
Productivity. Generosity.
Efficiency. Humor. Energy. Strategy. Diligence.
I have a vague notion you could define each of the first four in terms of Integrity (integrity of thought, integrity of self, integrity of action, and integrity of relation, or something), so I guess also Integrity. ::grin:: By "Energy" I mean something like the opposite of laziness, like "doing harder things now for bigger payoffs later as opposed to easier things now for lesser payoffs later". I'd like to find a better word for that - Forethought? Gumption?
Posted by: Amy (web) | July 21, 2005 11:58 AM
Ack! Left off Justice! I don't *actually* believe that's like karmically wishing for something unfair to happen to me now, but it definitely made me a bit uneasy. Perhaps I will stipulate that mine is by no means a complete list. ::grin::
Posted by: Amy (web) | July 21, 2005 12:13 PM
Compassion. Courage.
Posted by: Mary Anne Mohanraj (mail) | July 21, 2005 12:52 PM
Courage, perseverance, generosity, flexibility
Posted by: Thida (mail) (web) | July 21, 2005 2:12 PM
Curiosity, hope, charity, insight, compassion, and ice cream.
Posted by: David Moles (mail) (web) | July 21, 2005 3:56 PM
The first thing that comes to mind is 'paying attention.' Which isn't quite what you're asking for and also kind of a cheat, because I think that most of my other favorites follow from it. But it was my first thing.
Second thing: loyalty.
Other things. Compassion. Fairness and honesty, with others and with oneself. Resilience. Humility and confidence in roughly equal doses. Independence, but that's a wobbly one: too many ways to bend it, not all of them good. Self-possession, maybe.
And I wouldn't have thought of it from just the question, but Lola said and I went, "Yes!" An understanding, at least, of silence and stillness.
And dog-personness.
Posted by: Hannah (mail) | July 21, 2005 7:16 PM
Charity/compassion is tops. I think everything else comes from that, as much of a cliche as it is.
Posted by: Jess | July 22, 2005 1:38 AM
My favorites are pride, envy, gluttony, lust, wrath, avarice, and sloth.
(All the standbys were already taken so I figured to mix things up.)
Interesting definition of integrity from Daniel. I like the (almost cliche) definition, "integrity is how you behave when no one is looking."
And finally, Jed, am I allowed to re-visit a prior topic here? Pesto. Yesterday for lunch, I went to one of those absurd Beverly Hills hotel poolside restaurants, surrounded by entertainment industry wanna-be's and b-listers, and I had some outrageously good macadamia nut pesto on soba with jumbo shrimp. I have never even thought of macadamia nut pesto. What's next, filbert pesto? Hazelnut pesto? I think the name of the restaurant was Blue Blue.
Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2005 11:16 AM
oops, that last comment is from me, didn't mean to be anonymous.
Posted by: jay (mail) | July 22, 2005 11:17 AM
Thanks, all! Keep 'em coming; I'm finding this really interesting. (The ones that aren't Traditional Abstract Virtues as much as the ones that are.)
I haven't thought it through completely yet, but I think my incomplete primary list of virtues includes (in no particular order):
Integrity; Honesty; Empathy (what Jacob said—and a lot of sub-virtues follow from that one, in my worldview); Awareness of Complexity; Tolerance; Wisdom. (Does Wisdom count? I think it's more an attribute to be applied to someone than something one can choose for oneself. One can choose to behave with integrity; can one choose to behave wisely?)
I guess I have a second-tier list, too, that includes all sorts of stuff: Sense of Humor, Gentleness/Kindness/Compassion/Willingness to Forgive (do those necessarily follow from Empathy? not sure), Perspective (akin to Daniel's definition of Humility), Eloquence, Willingness to Compromise (which I think has some connection with the Quaker approach to Consensus), Willingness to Communicate, Generosity, Self-Restraint, Carefulness/Prudence, Patience, Playfulness, Mindfulness, Competence, Diligence, Craft. Self-confidence? (It's attractive, but do I consider it a Virtue per se? Maybe only if tempered by awareness of one's own's fallibility.) Fortitude? (Strength to withstand hardship, maybe?)
Interestingly, my gut-level definition of Integrity seems to include changing your mind when you encounter new evidence that's compelling enough to override your old worldview. I always thought of Dr. Koop's change of stance about AIDS as demonstrating a lot of integrity, even though integrity isn't normally associated with changing your mind. Maybe I really mean Principledness? Being willing to stand up for what you believe in? (And yes, I consider it a virtue even when practiced by people I disagree with. At least up until the point when they start killing people.)
I find it interesting that people (including me) aren't mentioning certain things traditionally considered virtues. Faith, for example. Chastity. Moderation/Temperance. Loving others. Meekness/Mildness. Longanimity/Long-Sufferingness (there must be a better word for that, but I'm not really awake). Modesty.
...This isn't exactly what I was thinking of, but it occurs to me that things can have virtues in a context: for example, roundness is a cardinal virtue of wheels, and Good Writing is a cardinal virtue for a story.
And I have some favorite virtues for certain things other than people. For example, Transparency (in the sense of being open about what's going on behind the scenes) is probably more a virtue for organizations than for individuals, and Elegance (in the math/CS sense) is more an attribute of designs or implementations than of people.
Posted by: Jed | July 22, 2005 12:02 PM
Honesty, Open-mindedness, Kindness, Integrity, Courage. I also find Passion to be a virtue.
Friendship is my religion, but I can't find a way to sum it up as virtue.
Posted by: Jenn Reese (mail) | July 24, 2005 11:37 AM
Generosity. Empathy is no use without it. "I understand completely that you're unhappy, but alleviating that unhappiness would require me to get up and put my arm round you and, frankly, I can't be arsed just at the moment"
Posted by: Wendy Bradley (mail) | July 24, 2005 3:21 PM
I think it was me, although we may be remembering a similar discussion of vices. Elie Wiesel, in one of his lectures, pointed out that it is much easier to define and enumerate those things you are against, and those negatives can help clarify your values. For instance, if you are against, say, ignorance, then it's pretty clear that you value—what—knowledge? curiosity?
Anyway, my own values (and I'm cribbing from above, as originality ain't high on my list) begins with compassion, humility and creativity, and also includes curiosity, long-sightedness and cheerfulness.
Also, I think to a certain extent Meekness/Mildness is an attribute of Humility, or conversely the lack of M/M indicates a lack of H. I'm surprised Honesty is so high on so many people's list; I think it's over-rated myself. Of course (as you point out) there is context to these, there are many occasions where Honesty is terribly important, and many others where I don't think it is. The interesting thing is where these collide, where (for an obvious example) kindness collides with honesty, or where humility/perspective collides with creativity. I think it's a good idea to muse on the values and vices, and actually to rank them in a general sort of way, so you are prepared for tough ethical situations.
Thanks,
-V.
Posted by: Vardibidian (mail) (web) | July 24, 2005 9:29 PM
To be aware. Contagious. Self-disciplined. Approachable. Imaginative. To live with a soft step and comfortable touch.
Posted by: Jessi Lancaster (mail) | November 19, 2007 6:58 PM