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			<title>Comment by raebryant on Fake Presidents unite!</title>
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				<![CDATA[<a href="http://www.raebryant.com" rel="nofollow">raebryant</a>]]> said:
				
				<![CDATA[<p>Hey, sex sells! It's difficult to find a primetime political commentary without cleavage, and its about time the oval office got some more action. Hilton would fit right in. Lord knows, we need a jumpstart on global diplomacy. Send her to the UN Summit, can't hurt . . . </p>

<p>She's good at least for an ambassadorship.</p>]]>
				
									<![CDATA[<p>Regarding: <a href="http://www.kith.org/journals/jed/2008/10/09/11525.html">Fake Presidents unite!</a></p>]]>
					It all started with McCain&apos;s ad a couple months ago accusing Obama of being a celebrity like Paris Hilton. As...
								
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			<title>Comment by Shmuel on Same-sex marriage notes from both coasts</title>
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				Shmuel said:
				
				<![CDATA[<p>From the decision:<blockquote>Furthermore, we are mindful that state ‘[c]onstitutional provisions must be interpreted within the context of the times. . . . ‘We must interpret the constitution in accordance with the demands of modern society or it will be in constant danger of becoming atrophied and, in fact, may even lose its original meaning.’ . . . [A] constitution is, in [former United States Supreme Court] Chief Justice John Marshall’s words, ‘intended to endure for ages to come . . . and, consequently, to be adapted to the various crises of human affairs.’</blockquote>[shudder]</p>

<p>...well, at least they're being up front about this being judicial activism. (Of the six factors they set out as criteria for interpreting the state constitution, only two of them are concerned with what the thing actually says and means—which properly should be the be-all and end-all—and those aren't the ones they use to settle this.)</p>

<p>The decision boils down to: there's discrimination against homosexuals (true); that has extremely harmful effects (true); state recognition of heterosexual marriage and not homosexual marriage is discriminatory (true); we, the judiciary, don't like that (well done); and therefore, even though there are no actual constitutional grounds for this, we're going to elbow the legislature aside and change the laws ourselves (so, so wrong).</p>

<p>All you people complaining about the right wing coming to power in the executive and legislative branches? This right here is why that happens. It's exactly the reverse of the way the system <i>should</i> work.</p>]]>
				
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					Excellent news from the East coast: the Connecticut Supreme Court has ruled that same-sex couples have the right to get...
								
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			<title>Comment by Shmuel on Same-sex marriage notes from both coasts</title>
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				Shmuel said:
				
				<![CDATA[<p>(Note: that's Connecticut. California is a different case, because the legislature actually got it right and changed the laws itself, and the governor struck it down on grounds that the judiciary ought to decide this. This means that your governor is an idiot who got it backward—I was <i>furious</i> when I heard that one—but it also means the judiciary was essentially accepting the mandate granted by the other two branches.)</p>]]>
				
									<![CDATA[<p>Regarding: <a href="http://www.kith.org/journals/jed/2008/10/10/11528.html">Same-sex marriage notes from both coasts</a></p>]]>
					Excellent news from the East coast: the Connecticut Supreme Court has ruled that same-sex couples have the right to get...
								
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			<title>Comment by Michael on Same-sex marriage notes from both coasts</title>
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				<![CDATA[<p>Shmuel: You say "well, at least they're being up front about this being judicial activism. (Of the six factors they set out as criteria for interpreting the state constitution, only two of them are concerned with what the thing actually says and means—which properly should be the be-all and end-all—and those aren't the ones they use to settle this.)"</p>

<p>Those six factors, quoted on page 12 of the decision for anyone looking for them, are from a 1992 CT Supreme Court decision (<i>Geisler</i>). Those six factors have been guiding their decisions for 16 years, and they weren't revolutionary then. As for "what the thing actually says and means", that's precisely what those six factors are supposed to guide them in determining.</p>

<p>My reading of the decision is that it boils down to: there's discrimination against homosexuals (true); that has extremely harmful effects (true); state recognition of heterosexual marriage and not homosexual marriage is discriminatory (true); our state constitution has an equal protection clause (true); sexual orientation qualifies as at least a quasi-suspect class like gender (reasonably supported); discrimination in the marriage laws violates the equal protection clause in that case (also reasonably supported). Enforcing the equal protection clause isn't judicial activism; it's their job.</p>]]>
				
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					Excellent news from the East coast: the Connecticut Supreme Court has ruled that same-sex couples have the right to get...
								
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			<title>Comment by Devin on To Morrow</title>
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				Devin said:
				
				<![CDATA[<p>If it's "a-howling jay" then that would mean jay is a noun and a-howling is a present tense verb, done in the colloquial style (like <i>the times they are a-changin'<i>)...</i></i></p>]]>
				
									<![CDATA[<p>Regarding: <a href="http://www.kith.org/journals/jed/2004/10/28/2371.html">To Morrow</a></p>]]>
					(A wandery sort of entry that goes nowhere in particular and ends abruptly.) Cindy Kallet is going to be performing...
								
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			<title>Comment by Shmuel on Same-sex marriage notes from both coasts</title>
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				Shmuel said:
				
				<![CDATA[<p>I didn't say this approach was <i>new</i>; 16 years is a drop in the bucket. The SCOTUS of the 1970s in particular sailed over the edge, and we're still dealing with the consequences thirtysomething years later. (This would be my single largest incentive to vote for McCain, though I'm still leaning toward Obama on other grounds, and because presidential appointments so rarely work out as intended.)</p>

<p>But okay, the six <i>Geisler</i> factors: (1) what does the constitution actually say; (2) what has this court held and said in the past; (3) what does federal precedent say; (4) what have other state courts decided; (5) what clues can we derive from historical context to determine the intended meaning of the constitutional provision; (6) "contemporary economic and sociological considerations, including relevant public policies," which appears to be a catch-all for "what do we want to legislate today?"</p>

<p>Of those, (1) and (5) deal with the bedrock constutionality; (2) deals with the court being internally consistent; (3) and (4) boil down to "what do the neighbors think?", and I couldn't find a way of being neutral about (6) above. The last four may all be fine things, but (1) and (5) properly trump them all.</p>

<p>Taking those in order, the court determines that (1) the text of the constitution doesn't really go one way or the other; (2) we haven't really addressed this as such before; (3) the federal courts have recently started to come around on the issue, so even though actual federal precedent is still clearly that gay marriage is not given the same legal status as straight marriage, we're going to steal a march and declare them to be on our side; (4) most state courts have ruled against what we're about to say, but we like the few exceptions <i>much</i> better; (5) looking at what the framers of the constitution <i>meant</i> to include obviously would have gone against them, so they conveniently skip it on page 57 to move on to (6) it's a bad, bad thing for gay marriage not to be given the same status as straight marriage, and we don't like it one bit.</p>

<p>...in other words, the entire decision deliberately ignores the question of what the constitution included when written, and leans entirely on minority viewpoints in other judiciaries and on factor 6: we consider this detrimental to society, and therefore we're gonna go ahead and legislate it. Which it then does.</p>]]>
				
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					Excellent news from the East coast: the Connecticut Supreme Court has ruled that same-sex couples have the right to get...
								
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			<title>Comment by Jed on To Morrow</title>
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				<![CDATA[<a href="http://www.kith.org/journals/jed/" rel="nofollow">Jed</a>]]> said:
				
				<![CDATA[<p>Devin: Not necessarily; I can imagine an adjective appearing in that construction.  Kinda like the phrase "hopping mad," where "mad" is an adjective and "hopping" is an intensifier.</p>

<p>But it's certainly an odd phrase no matter how we parse it.</p>]]>
				
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					(A wandery sort of entry that goes nowhere in particular and ends abruptly.) Cindy Kallet is going to be performing...
								
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			<title>Comment by Jed on Other hearts in other lands</title>
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				<![CDATA[<a href="http://www.kith.org/journals/jed/" rel="nofollow">Jed</a>]]> said:
				
				<![CDATA[<p>Followup: The <a href="http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?i=159318406&id=159317868&s=143441" rel="nofollow">Indigo Girls live version</a> is now available at the iTunes Store. See my <a href="http://www.kith.org/journals/jed/2008/10/11/11532.html" rel="nofollow">later entry</a> for a few more details.</p>]]>
				
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					I think it was either the summer of 1994 or the summer of 1997. The Indigo Girls were performing at...
								
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			<title>Comment by Michael on To Morrow</title>
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				<![CDATA[<p>I figured the jay in "a howling jay" was a blue jay (one of the noisiest birds of its size, and often called a jay).</p>]]>
				
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					(A wandery sort of entry that goes nowhere in particular and ends abruptly.) Cindy Kallet is going to be performing...
								
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			<title>Comment by Nao on For lands afar and mine</title>
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				<![CDATA[<p>I have loved that song for most of my life. It's been going through my head since you posted this - a fine earworm.</p>]]>
				
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					Way back in early 2003, I wrote about hearing the Indigo Girls perform &quot;Finlandia&quot; with Joan Baez at a concert...
								
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			<title>Comment by jacob on For lands afar and mine</title>
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				jacob said:
				
				<![CDATA[<p>Looks like there are a few videos on YouTube of Indigo Girls singing the song with various folks.  The best one I found was a dressing room <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD1t6tzbp-Y" rel="nofollow">rehearsal with Missy Higgins</a>, which has the advantage of having been recorded in a quiet room.</p>]]>
				
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					Way back in early 2003, I wrote about hearing the Indigo Girls perform &quot;Finlandia&quot; with Joan Baez at a concert...
								
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			<title>Comment by Jed on For lands afar and mine</title>
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				<![CDATA[<a href="http://www.kith.org/journals/jed/" rel="nofollow">Jed</a>]]> said:
				
				<![CDATA[<p>Nice video!  Thanks much for the link.</p>]]>
				
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					Way back in early 2003, I wrote about hearing the Indigo Girls perform &quot;Finlandia&quot; with Joan Baez at a concert...
								
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			<title>Comment by mike p on Farewell to Classmates</title>
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				<![CDATA[<p>I concur. I met a bunch of artists who actually USE myspace, so I wonder how hard it would be to get school alumni to use it.</p>]]>
				
									<![CDATA[<p>Regarding: <a href="http://www.kith.org/journals/jed/2008/04/25/11131.html">Farewell to Classmates</a></p>]]>
					I finally cancelled my classmates.com account this morning, approximately eight and a half years after I first signed up for...
								
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			<title>Comment by Pasquinade on No on 8 contributions doubled today</title>
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				Pasquinade said:
				
				<![CDATA[<p>Just voted (absentee). Here's hoping.</p>

<p>Also saw a fascinating article:</p>

<p><a href="http://fathergeofffarrow.blogspot.com/2008/10/how-it-all-began.html" rel="nofollow">http://fathergeofffarrow.blogspot.com/2008/10/how-it-all-began.html</a></p>

<p>A Catholic priest, when told to preach in favor of Prop 8, comes out against it and is suspended. For somebody like me, a Catholic on the outs with Catholicism, it was fascinating reading.</p>]]>
				
									<![CDATA[<p>Regarding: <a href="http://www.kith.org/journals/jed/2008/10/14/11535.html">No on 8 contributions doubled today</a></p>]]>
					If you&apos;ve been thinking about helping save same-sex marriage in California, by donating to the No on Proposition 8 campaign,...
								
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			<title>Comment by Jed on No on 8 contributions doubled today</title>
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				<![CDATA[<a href="http://www.kith.org/journals/jed/" rel="nofollow">Jed</a>]]> said:
				
				<![CDATA[<p>Wow. That's a fascinating and moving piece; thank you for the link.  The rest of <a href="http://fathergeofffarrow.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">Father Farrow's blog</a> is also good reading. It looks like he's made a significant media splash with all this; I'm surprised I haven't seen it mentioned 'til now.</p>

<p>Thanks also to Jay H, who pointed me to an <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-gaypriest13-2008oct13,0,2646781.story" rel="nofollow">article about Father Farrow</a> this afternoon, even though I didn't see that article 'til after I saw this comment.</p>]]>
				
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					If you&apos;ve been thinking about helping save same-sex marriage in California, by donating to the No on Proposition 8 campaign,...
								
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