{"id":11435,"date":"2009-08-31T16:28:24","date_gmt":"2009-08-31T23:28:24","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.kith.org\/journals\/jed\/2009\/08\/31\/11435.html"},"modified":"2009-08-31T16:28:24","modified_gmt":"2009-08-31T23:28:24","slug":"okay-if-we-do-it-awful-if-they","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.kith.org\/jed\/2009\/08\/31\/okay-if-we-do-it-awful-if-they\/","title":{"rendered":"Okay if we do it, awful if they do it"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>There's something I see a lot in political discussions. It may just be human nature or something, but it always bugs me.<\/p>\n<p>Group A discovers that a member of group B has done some particular thing, usually something that's frowned upon in polite company. And they vilify the person.<\/p>\n<p>Later, it turns out that a member of group A has done some relatively similar thing. And all the members of group A trip over themselves explaining that no, what <em>our<\/em> person did is okay, because it's <em>totally different<\/em> from that awful thing that that awful group-B person did.<\/p>\n<p>I see this most often where the two groups are the Democrats and the Republicans, in either order.<\/p>\n<p>And it goes further than that. Sometimes each party uses argument X to support the things they like, and says that argument X is ridiculous when the other party uses it to support the things they like.<\/p>\n<p>(The States' Rights argument is the one that springs to mind for me. In my experience, a lot of Democrats are pretty unhappy about S.R. arguments used to support Republican goals&mdash;but use S.R. arguments themselves to support Democratic goals. And, of course, some Republicans use S.R. arguments in many contexts, but reject them in contexts like same-sex marriage.)<\/p>\n<p>Before I'm willing to make an argument, or to condemn someone for an action, I usually try to remember to run my argument through a filter: if people who disagree with me politically were to use this argument, would I object to it?  If someone I agreed with politically were to do this thing, would I defend them instead of attacking them?<\/p>\n<p>The funny thing is, this whole approach (of having different standards for members of your own group than for members of another group) doesn't bug me so much when people I disagree with do it.<\/p>\n<p>But I expect better from people I agree with. I want the arguments on our side to be good arguments. I want us to refrain from attacking people for doing things that we wouldn't object to if our friends did them. I want us to take the moral high ground.<\/p>\n<p>In other words, I have different standards <em>about having different standards<\/em> for members of my own group than for members of another group.<\/p>\n<p>So I suppose I've got a meta-double standard.<\/p>\n<p>But really, I would be happier if people just didn't make this kind of argument at all.<\/p>\n<p>(Wrote most of this entry in September of 2008; just came across it today, cut out the extended discussion of a particular instance that had bogged me down and caused me to leave the entry unfinished, and am now posting it.)<\/p>\n\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>There&#8217;s something I see a lot in political discussions. It may just be human nature or something, but it always&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":5,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[45],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-11435","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-politics"],"acf":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.kith.org\/jed\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/11435","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.kith.org\/jed\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.kith.org\/jed\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.kith.org\/jed\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/5"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.kith.org\/jed\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=11435"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.kith.org\/jed\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/11435\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.kith.org\/jed\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=11435"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.kith.org\/jed\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=11435"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.kith.org\/jed\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=11435"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}