{"id":11808,"date":"2009-01-15T22:45:22","date_gmt":"2009-01-16T03:45:22","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.kith.org\/journals\/vardibidian\/2009\/01\/15\/11808.html"},"modified":"2018-03-13T18:50:19","modified_gmt":"2018-03-13T23:50:19","slug":"httpmithrasblogscomblog200901a","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.kith.org\/vardibidian\/2009\/01\/15\/httpmithrasblogscomblog200901a\/","title":{"rendered":"Trivia Question, complete with (probably correct) answer"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>So there&#8217;s been a bit of a blogsnit about &lt;a href=&quot;http:\/\/mithras.blogs.com\/blog\/2009\/01\/alito-snubs-obama.html&quot;<\/a>Justice Alito skipping lunch with Our Incoming President<\/a>. It&#8217;s true that snubbing the President-Elect because he voted against your confirmation whilst in the Senate seems petty and small. And if it&#8217;s true that there&#8217;s a Supreme Court Justice who will not walk one the same side of the street as the Senate Office Building, it calls into question his ability to interpret the Constitution.\n<p>But it <I>is<\/i> an awkward thing, when you think about it. And I did think about it, and I wondered&#8212;when was the last time a President came into office while there was a sitting Supreme Court Justice against whose confirmation he had voted? Clearly, it must have been a while. It&#8217;s hard to compare Justice Alito&#8217;s behavior against the last person in his position, when that last person is&#8230; well, neither Our Nearly-Erstwhile President nor his father served in the Senate, nor did the sandwiched Man from Hope. Nor Reagan, nor Jimmy Carter, nor Gerald Ford. Richard Nixon did, but somehow I hadn&#8217;t realized that he served only two years; he did not vote on any of Harry Truman&#8217;s appointments. Which means that we would have to go back to Lyndon Johnson, who voted for Potter Stewart and John Harlan, as did John Kennedy; the others during that time were all voice votes. Truman&#8217;s entire Senate career was under FDR, so I assume he wouldn&#8217;t have voted against those nominees.\n<p>In fact, unless I miss my guess, the previous Supreme Court Justice (before Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Alito) to greet as new President a man who voted in a roll call against his confirmation in the Senate would be Louis Brandeis and Warren Harding. Then-Sen. Harding definitely voted against confirming Mr. Brandeis in 1916. I don&#8217;t see any other possibilities in the last ninety-two years.\n<p>The President before Warren Harding to have sat in the Senate was Benjamin Harrison, who presumably would have voted against Grover Cleveland&#8217;s nominees in 1888, but he was out of the Senate as of March 1887. As an extra bonus there, Benjamin Harrison would have sat <I>in<\/I> the Senate alongside Lucius Lamar (1877 to 1885).\n<p>Andrew Johnson would be before that, and the nomination of Nathan Clifford in January 1858. I wouldn&#8217;t be at all surprised if the 19th-Century Justices refused to meet with the Presidents from the other Party, particularly if the Justice was pro-slavery, the vote before the Civil War, and the post-Civil War President was, you know, Andrew Johnson. Actually, I&#8217;m not absolutely certain that Andrew Johnson voted against Nathan Clifford&#8217;s confirmation. He was representing Tennessee in the U.S. Senate in January 1858 as a Democrat, but he was a War Democrat; Then-Pres. Buchanan was a Democrat, but a doughface. The vote was 26-23. But I haven&#8217;t been able to find out who voted which way, and there were 66 seats, so a fair number of people didn&#8217;t vote at all. And there were 20 Republicans, who may have all voted against the pro-Slavery Democrat, or perhaps some of them didn&#8217;t vote, but at least one Anti-Slavery Democrat must have voted against his party, but was it Andrew Johnson? Gentle Readers with access to the Congressional Record from 1858 should let me know.\n<p>It doesn&#8217;t look as if James Buchanan voted against any Supreme Court candidates that were confirmed, although I don&#8217;t really know anything about his relationship with the rest of his Party in the Andrew Jackson\/Martin Van Buren years. Similarly, Franklin Pierce would presumably have voted with his Party, so it looks like His Accidency John Tyler would have been the previous nay-voter to meet a Justice as President, presumably Roger Taney in 1836&#8212;wait, no, John Tyler had resigned his Senate seat on February 29, and the vote on Roger Taney was on March 15. And the earlier ones were voice votes or losers.\n<p>So. Trivia question: How many times has a Supreme Court Justice served with a President who voted against his confirmation whilst in the Senate? Answer: Once definitely, maybe twice. And twice more on Tuesday. Unless, of course, I've screwed up my research.\n<p><I>Tolerabimus quod tolerare debemus<\/I>,<br>-Vardibidian.\n\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In Which Your Humble Blogger may have the right answer, or maybe not. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":7,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[204],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-11808","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-politics"],"acf":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.kith.org\/vardibidian\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/11808","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.kith.org\/vardibidian\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.kith.org\/vardibidian\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.kith.org\/vardibidian\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/7"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.kith.org\/vardibidian\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=11808"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/www.kith.org\/vardibidian\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/11808\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":18654,"href":"https:\/\/www.kith.org\/vardibidian\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/11808\/revisions\/18654"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.kith.org\/vardibidian\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=11808"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.kith.org\/vardibidian\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=11808"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.kith.org\/vardibidian\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=11808"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}