{"id":15174,"date":"2016-01-05T12:41:29","date_gmt":"2016-01-05T17:41:29","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.kith.org\/journals\/vardibidian\/2016\/01\/05\/15174.html"},"modified":"2018-03-13T19:10:16","modified_gmt":"2018-03-14T00:10:16","slug":"an-odd-question","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.kith.org\/vardibidian\/2016\/01\/05\/an-odd-question\/","title":{"rendered":"An Odd Question"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>So. This is a math problem that I would once have been able to set up and possibly even solve, but at this point I can&#8217;t even figure out how to google the answer. So.\n<p>In rolling two dice (2D6) the long-run distribution is easy: for every thirty-six rolls, 2 and 12 come up essentially once each, 3 and 11 twice, 4 and 10 three times, 5 and 9 four times, 6 and 10 five, and the last six rolls come up showing 7. In the long run. More or less. You could graph it.\n<p>In the short term, of course, longer-odds outcomes will likely come up more often than shorter-odds outcomes. For instance, after one roll, the odds are very good indeed (five-to-one) that something that is not a seven will have come up more often than something that is a seven. After six rolls, the odds are (if I am getting this right, and perhaps I am not) even that you will have rolled a seven at all, which means that the odds are slightly better than even that you will have rolled some longer-odds number more often than a 7 (counting the outcomes where you roll, for instance, one 7 and two 6s in those six rolls.\n<p>Is that clear? For any given number, 7 will come up more frequently in the long term, but in the very short term (six rolls), the odds favor <i>some<\/i> number coming up more often than the 7. If you have ever rolled dice a bunch of times, this will be instinctive, I think; if not, grab a couple of dice or a dice-rolling app and try.\n<p>Now, let&#8217;s see if I can generalize while remaining clear: if you roll, say, a hundred times and graph the results, you&#8217;ll probably have something that more or less approximates the ziggurat shape the distribution would predict. Something like this:\n<p><img alt=\"graph1.jpg\" src=\"http:\/\/www.kith.org\/journals\/vardibidian\/images\/graph1.jpg\" width=\"400\" height=\"289\" class=\"mt-image-center\" style=\"text-align: center;margin: 0 auto 20px\" \/>\n<p>But still there might be more, for instance, 8s than 7s:\n<p><img alt=\"graph2.jpg\" src=\"http:\/\/www.kith.org\/journals\/vardibidian\/images\/graph2.jpg\" width=\"400\" height=\"289\" class=\"mt-image-center\" style=\"text-align: center;margin: 0 auto 20px\" \/>\n<p>Or even more 5s than 7s:\n<p><img alt=\"graph3.jpg\" src=\"http:\/\/www.kith.org\/journals\/vardibidian\/images\/graph3.jpg\" width=\"400\" height=\"289\" class=\"mt-image-center\" style=\"text-align: center;margin: 0 auto 20px\" \/>\n<p>Because 100 rolls really is still a short run of rolls, innit? Let&#8217;s try 200:\n<p><img alt=\"graph4.jpg\" src=\"http:\/\/www.kith.org\/journals\/vardibidian\/images\/graph4.jpg\" width=\"400\" height=\"289\" class=\"mt-image-center\" style=\"text-align: center;margin: 0 auto 20px\" \/>\n<p>Look! There are more sevens than anything else. Of course, there are just as many 5s as 6s. I&#8217;ll try again.\n<p><img alt=\"graph5.jpg\" src=\"http:\/\/www.kith.org\/journals\/vardibidian\/images\/graph5.jpg\" width=\"400\" height=\"289\" class=\"mt-image-center\" style=\"text-align: center;margin: 0 auto 20px\" \/>\n<p>This time there were more 4s than 5s.\n<p><img alt=\"graph6.jpg\" src=\"http:\/\/www.kith.org\/journals\/vardibidian\/images\/graph6.jpg\" width=\"400\" height=\"289\" class=\"mt-image-center\" style=\"text-align: center;margin: 0 auto 20px\" \/>\n<p>More 10s than 9s.\n<p>So, this is my question: It seems to me that for a reasonable number of dice rolls, the odds are <i>in favor<\/i> of some lower-odds result coming up <i>more<\/i> frequently than some higher-odds result. I could figure out the odds of more 10s than 9s, and more 4s than 5s, but I don&#8217;t know how to figure out the general odds of there being at least one instance of more <i>x<\/i> than <i>y<\/i> over <i>n<\/i> rolls, where the odds of <i>x<\/i> are longer than the odds of <i>y<\/i>. And what I&#8217;m really wondering is that&#8212;it feels to me as if it would be possible to look at that as a function of <i>n<\/i>, such that as <i>n<\/i> increases the odds (that is, the odds of at least one such low-odds incidence occurring) decrease, and that therefore there exists an <i>n<\/i> such that the odds are even, with lower <i>n<\/i> having greater odds and higher <i>n<\/i> shorter. I&#8217;d like to know how big that <i>n<\/i> is. But I could be wrong about there being such an <i>n<\/i>; my instincts for probability functions aren&#8217;t all that good.\n<p>There&#8217;s a lesson about the world in all this, that low-probability things happen all the time, and so forth. Mostly, though, it&#8217;s about actual dice: when you shoot craps or play <cite>Settlers of Catan<\/cite> or <cite>Monopoly<\/cite> or whatnot, don&#8217;t expect that over the course of the game there will necessarily be more 8s than 9s. The actual odds are that somebody will get screwed somehow.\n<p><I>Tolerabimus quod tolerare debemus<\/I>,<br>-Vardibidian.\n\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In Which Your Humble Blogger in theory produces wheat on an 5 and an 8, and has three houses on Oriental Avenue, and also ten dollars behind the pass line.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":7,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[201],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-15174","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-navel-gazing"],"acf":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.kith.org\/vardibidian\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/15174","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.kith.org\/vardibidian\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.kith.org\/vardibidian\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.kith.org\/vardibidian\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/7"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.kith.org\/vardibidian\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=15174"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/www.kith.org\/vardibidian\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/15174\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":16480,"href":"https:\/\/www.kith.org\/vardibidian\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/15174\/revisions\/16480"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.kith.org\/vardibidian\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=15174"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.kith.org\/vardibidian\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=15174"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.kith.org\/vardibidian\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=15174"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}