Interactions via hierarchy

In the past year or two, there have been several times when I've attempted to interact with various people directly about things they'd done that I was unhappy with.

(Note: everything here is general comments, stuff that's come up multiple times in a variety of situations. Nothing here is meant to apply specifically to any one particular situation, and it wasn't sparked by anything in particular; just stuff I've been musing about for a while now.)

I hate to involve other levels of power hierarchies when I do such things. If I'm unhappy with a neighbor, in theory I'd rather work that out with the neighbor than complain to the apartment managers or the police. If I'm unhappy with a co-worker who reports to a different manager, in theory I'd rather work that out with the co-worker than complain to their manager, or even to my manager.

I want to treat people as adults, responsible for their own actions. I want to treat people as humans who I can interact with as another human, rather than as interchangeable parts filling roles in a machine. And in my experience, when hierarchies get involved, response tends to be disproportionate. If a co-worker is playing music too loudly, I don't want them to get fired, or even to get a negative performance review; I just want them to turn the music down.

This is particularly an issue when someone really has done something that could get them fired. (Say, a low-level customer service person on the phone starting to yell at me.) Even if I'm very upset about the situation, I'm uncomfortable with the notion of my costing someone their job. It could be argued that if someone does something bad enough to be fired over, then they deserve to lose their job, but it makes me really uncomfortable and unhappy to be the proximate cause of that happening.

So I try to avoid going through the hierarchy. But I've slowly been learning that sometimes the hierarchy is there, at least in part, to protect people. If a co-worker of mine feels that I'm making unreasonable demands on them, then involving their manager can prevent me from making those demands. Involving their manager may also make the manager aware that the person has too much on their plate, and may help them balance the load. And it may replace an implicit and informal hierarchy that can be too easily abused (such as my being in a position of power relative to the other person) with a formal hierarchy that has clearer and more standardized mechanisms. Then, too, involving my manager may let my requests and comments be filtered through a reasonable voice, taking the edge off things I might say in anger or frustration. And so on.

It's still awkward, though. I sometimes feel a little like a jury that's been charged with returning a binary verdict, guilty or not guilty, with no way of knowing whether the sentencing is going to seem reasonable or disproportionate to me.

Anyway, I'm not gonna reach any conclusions tonight. Time to go do some writing.

8 Responses to “Interactions via hierarchy”

  1. metasilk

    I more often have run into the problem where people don’t involve me when they have a conflict with me… and neither did their manager or mine. Ugh!

    I think starting with the person in question shows respect for their ability to have control over their actions and their ability to solve the problem. As Arthur once wrote:

    One strategy I adopted was that, when dealing with a representative of an organization that was complicating my life, demanding my rights, no matter how good my claim was, would be a less useful approach than courteously presenting the whole thing as a shared problem the individual could be a helpful and competent person by solving.

    So I treat the people at the dentist and the druggist as intelligent people attempting to operate a system designed by brain-damaged space aliens, which is not a bad first approximation.

    All that aside, that’s a good point about the heirarchy being able to protect—or perhaps effectively mediate. Another advantage of going to “the next level up” is that sometimes they can actually solve a problem which the person him/herself can’t, because of that greater authority or access or what have you (like a clerk being unable to change or remove a transaction, but a manager could).

    Just rambling likewise.

    (Oh, and one more unrelated thing: could you do a preview feature for comments and a wider comment-entry window? Are those possible?)

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  2. metasilk

    …as I inadvertently demonstrate why I could use a preview feature ~~wry grin~~

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  3. Jed

    ‘Sfunny, I love it when other places have a preview feature, and I use it all the time, but somehow I’m nervous about having one here; I think it would be too easy for people to forget to post their final comment. I’ll think about that.

    But I have been meaning to implement an edit-or-delete-your-post feature, much like the one at JournalScape (which is where I stole most of the ideas for this comments system from). It’ll happen sooner or later. Not hard to implement; mostly I just need to learn how to use cookies.

    As for a wider comment-entry window: I like keeping the comment-display window narrow, which puts limits on the width of the content-entry text box. But I’ve now increased the height of the content-entry text box a little; does that help?

    I’ve cleaned up the problem HTML in your first comment, btw. (At least, I think it should work now—multi-paragraph blockquotes don’t quite fit the paradigm of how my system displays comments, but browsers are flexible enough that I think it’ll look okay.)

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  4. Jed

    Re the substance of your comment: yes, ugh to people not involving you at all when there’s a conflict. 🙁

    Arthur’s suggestion for dealing with organizational representatives was a big eye-opener for me. I’ve been trying to adopt it, but the adoption process is slow; my old habits in such situations die hard (though they’ve been proven over and over again not to work, so you’d think I’d have incentive to change them).

    Good points about other good sides to the hierarchy. I think part of what goes on in my head may also be “I’m a good problem-solver; I should be able to solve this problem myself; involving the hierarchy means admitting I’ve failed.” I need to learn to recognize and quash such (unconscious) thoughts.

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  5. Dan

    Would it affect your gut reaction if you were to think of a hierarchy as yet another tool available to you (good problem-solver that you are)? Like any power tool, it is highly effective at what it does well but dangerous in careless or untrained hands.

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  6. Jed

    Good point about tools. On the other hand, a hierarchy is a tool that’s very hard to control, even in a limited way. Easy to press the start button, hard to stop it if you decide it’s headed in the wrong direction.

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  7. Hannah

    Not quite the substance of what you mean, but when I work retail, I often find myself standing there listening to someone while thinking, “Why are you telling me this? I can’t do anything about it.”

    That job is also the one with the managers who’ve made it explicit that we don’t get paid enough to deal with jerks. If someone has a problem, they want us to call them for help.

    The people I’m thinking of are mostly the folks who apparently come into the store with an axe to grind, which obviously isn’t the same thing as me yelling at some poor guy who just wants a gift receipt! But hierarchies are in place at least in part because people at one level may not be able to get something done; it’s not only acceptable but preferable to go as high up as necessary to get the job done.

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  8. Trent

    Hey, Jed,

    Interesting blog. It’s probably rare for me to go over anyone’s heads, but I’m more like you in wanting to deal directly with a person. When that fails…? I still hate to see anyone fired. After all, everyone has their strenghts and weaknesses.

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